ANTONY SAYS

Chapter Five

My greetings to you.   It is good to be with you again.   It is hoped that the two absentees will soon be able to rejoin you.

C.  We hope so.   We thought we would continue just the same, Antony, because, whatever we ask will be recorded, and we can play it back to them when they return.   Do you still want me to ask questions?

Yes, continue by all means, and if these recordings are clear, they can be heard by, or read to, many others in the future.

C.  Right, what are the different stages of advancement from the level that you are on at the moment and from the level that we are on, and how are these stages monitored?

You have been having some deep thoughts and you deserve an answer to these questions.

What are the stages and how are they monitored?

C.   Yes.   At our level and at your level.

You wish to start at your level?

C.   Yes

What I am going to say will apply to progress from any one level to the next one, so from your level to the next one, we can look at that.  You, throughout your life on the Earth, on this occasion, have been aware of certain basic tendencies that are with you, part of you, and that affect your attitude to all others with whom you come in contact.   They are the basic facts of your life; for example, you believe in self protection in order for your life to continue without too much damage to yourself.  Your instincts enable you to react instantly, when you are threatened physically.  This applies to the majority of those at your level.   Without it, you would not have a long life, and it is possible that your life would be shortened in the early stages.   Do you understand that so far?

C.   Yes.

That is one instinct that is built into you.   At much higher levels than yours, that instinct has been, firstly, controlled, secondly suppressed, and thirdly, eliminated.   This is not particularly at the next level to you, but soon after your level.   There are some at your level who are suppressing the instinct.   That is accepting the condition of the termination of your life, in the knowledge that others wish you harm and that you do not wish them harm for having those thoughts.   That is a big step to take.   And there are many other steps forward similar to that where the reaction, the automatic reaction, is there within you, and which you apply at any similar situation where your well-being is threatened, and it is natural to look after your property, your family, to defend yourself, your friends, your neighbours.   It is part of a state defensive system for young people to willingly join the armed forces of their own nation, in order to accept orders from their superior officers to do whatever is required by the orders of those officers, to defend their country, even if it means invading another country and attacking the occupants.   That tendency is given names like "patriotism", and enthusiasm from governing bodies encourages young people to react to that patriotic tendency to go out and do harm to others, under their instruction.   So, another step forward could be looked upon as the weakening of the patriotic resolve, which is probably as tidy a way of saying it as possible.   You understand that second point?

C.   Yes.   Is it just the defence of oneself, because there are many points that I would like to bring up now that you have explained.   There must be more things that you have to go through or endure, before you can move up a stage, than that one thing?

That is why, in the phraseology being used, I do not like the word “levels”.   The understanding and recognition of progress in spiritual advancement, which is what we are talking about, is in a constant state of flux, moving forward.   Some people make no progress for a time and appear to go backwards, but they do, in fact, make no progress.   We are looking at positive progress as a way of measurement, or understanding, of the development.   So, where a person decides to harm, kill, destroy, damage, (or whatever word you wish), another soul, thinking that they are defending themselves, they are not moving forward with that action, because damage to the surroundings of another soul, hurting them, killing them, deliberately creating problems for them, in order to have that feeling of greater security, and personal satisfaction at having had, what might be called, revenge for some other damage in the other direction, that can be harmful.   That is on the record for both the souls concerned, and it delays their progress, but it is much easier to talk about progress of one pace from where you are, that you have achieved up to now, than to talk about moving seven stages higher, or five stages higher, or whatever the number of stages involved.   It is far too complicated to try to put fifty million years experience into one hour.   It cannot be done.   We do not try to do it, and that is why we cannot give you the complete answer in a book or in a library of books.   We can only show you the direction to go, and help you with your philosophies, your thinking, of improving your desire to progress.   That is a stage.   There are many souls who enjoy being on the sort of advancement or stage that you are.   They enjoy the comforts of a family life, the friendships, the messages, the chatter.   It can be quite a comfortable way of living, but it does not last for ever.   As time passes, the body becomes more weary, and there is a period when it is necessary to return home and you take your transition.   Now, if that transition is taken by physical violence from an outsider, from another, probably affected by an evil influence, robbing and murder, that sort of violence gives a great temptation to resist, and you have that right, that ability to protect yourself, given to you by your government.  It is a natural instinct in many people and it is not easy to remove that instinct and accept damage from another, which could terminate the life and give reason for your return home.  

It is not easy, but, somewhere between the stage at which you are now, and the higher, future, levels, you will need to weaken that determination to survive at all costs.  It will happen, but not in this life.   It may not be in the next, or however many lives are ahead of you, until you reach a point where you have advanced so far that there is no real benefit in coming back to experience another life on this, or any other, planet.   It is a long, long way ahead, but there is time for it.   Eternity gives you time for it. In our group, we have all been through the lower levels and worked our way up.   We know that we went through experiences of hate and lust and killing, and we have made progress from that stage, step by step.   It is a very long process, nothing to worry about.   You are showing a very strong resolve to make progress, by asking these questions, by continuing with this dialogue that we are having through the voice and vocabulary of Arthur.   You are showing a very strong determination to advance, and you are to be congratulated.   But, do not feel despondent when you know that you may have, or you may feel, the need to have thoughts of reacting to the aggressive advance from another, or to look for, and promise yourself, revenge for damage done to you, through no fault of your own.   These are all indications of stages of advancement, and you will move on.   Does that help you?

C.   Yes.   Actually, this question, as you might know, came from Arthur!

No!   And you tell me now?

C.   Yes, and he asked me to ask because it is something he wanted to know, and when we play it back, he will hear it and - - -

He may have other questions?

C.   Yes.

Which he can ask another day?

C.   Yes.   When you were talking, you said that you had been through all these stages, and been tested all the way along.   At one stage of my life, if someone hurt me or my family, I immediately wanted revenge.   I have now, I feel, moved on from that.   If someone hurts me now, and I know that I have people around me, who smile at me to my face, and would wish me harm behind my back, but, I am beginning to learn that I can, in a sense, forgive, because of their own ignorance and failing.   At one time I could not, but now, when I am deeply hurt by somebody, and they say that they are friends with me, and they are a sincere friend, and I find that they are not actually at all times sincere, I find that I can overlook it.   Sometimes I fail, and I have to say my piece; another time I can forgive and let it go, especially within my own family, I can.   If they say, forgive me, I can forgive.

You are to be congratulated.   You had learned some things long before I came in contact with you here and you have made progress.   You are aware, or you were aware, of the need for forgiveness.   You gave it a great deal of thought.   You worked on that process.   You developed yourself to the point where you gave forgiveness.   And one way in which you can help yourself to forgive is to remember that, when you have an awareness of unkind thoughts from your so-called friends, where in the past you would have hit back at them, given them what Arthur would have called a tongue-lashing, now, you think ‘oh, poor dear, they are in a bad way, they are physically or mentally in a bad way and need help’, and you send them a kind thought.   That takes away all that desire for revenge, and that is true progress.   That makes it so much easier to take that big step, and it is a very big step to take, moving away from having thoughts of revenge, to having thoughts of healing.   The change was in you.   They are the ones with the problem.   Their problem is now even bigger.

We did not mention, or I did not give you any response to your enquiry, about monitoring progress.   I have given it to you before in talks about that little, (and very big), computer, within yourself, which logs or records every thought, every word you say, every word you read, every picture you see every experience, especially those where you are making progress, and that is logged within you and, on your return home, when you review your experiences of your Earth-life, it is noted that you have a ‘flower in your garden’, to use one of your expressions, for each of those deeds.   It is noted that those flowers, as you always say, are beautiful and they last forever.   So there, you have it.   You are aware of your improving, increasing awareness of methods of making progress.   You are very much aware.

C.   I do try because I …

And you succeed.

C.   Not always.   Now and again, I am afraid I slip back …

But the recognition that you slip back is progress.   When you had thoughts of revenge, as a young person, you had no regrets.   You let your expressions flow, so that they were heard, but now, if you do express yourself in an unkindly way, you hear it and you are aware of it and you criticise yourself for it.   That is progress.   The growing awareness of, what you might call slight misdemeanours and wrong-thinking, negative thinking, is progress.   So, you are already moving forward, tonight, when you realise that you have that awareness of your own progress!

C.   I have learned that I upset myself too much, because I know I have not had a kind thought for somebody or, perhaps, I have not done all I could have done for them, and they have criticised me when I have tried to do my best, and I have ended up in tears because it hurts me so much.   When I was younger, and did not know all these things, it did not hurt me.   But now I am older, and have experienced more in this life, and it has been a difficult life, parts of it, especially with the sickness with the children and my parents, myself, and everybody else, I have changed.   I am getting on a more even keel, shall we say, to what I was.   I am calmer, but I do get very upset.   I think that is because, doing the spiritual work I am getting more sensitive.

Yes.   That is always possible.   As you are changing, as your awareness improves, and your progress is maintained, each day you can be a little bit further forward than the previous day, but it does bring, with the increasing awareness of your progress, an increasing awareness of negativity, and that can be weakening.   That can affect your emotions.   And then you feel, I want to be strong and tough again, I do not want to feel like this.

It is not right that you should feel like that.   So, it is a case of, first of all getting the protection again, always keep asking for protection, then sending out those healing thoughts of white light to the one causing the stress, and asking spirit for help to survive any attack on your emotions, because these attacks do come, they are part of the natural reaction for revenge, from those who have the unpleasant thoughts.   They send negative thoughts to you, and, if you can build a barrier with your protection of yourself, the spiritual protection, the help from all your helpers, from your family, who are with you at difficult times, all those around you, and you feel the strength of them around you, then you will not go down.   This is where fighting comes in.   You can fight against these spiritual attacks, and that is where you can continue to fight.

In my group, we are fighters.   We are fighters against evil.  Instead of fighting against others who do not agree with us, we fight against evil in whatever form we find it.  And that is good!   So, that is positive.   So, you can be a fighter and be positive and make progress.

C.   Another question that might interest our two friends, when they come back, is about reincarnation.   I think that we touched on this in the beginning, before they joined us, but it might be of interest to them, if you wouldn’t mind going through it again.   When we reincarnate, do we reincarnate into the same family, the same family group.   Very often we have been told, Oh yes, you could have been my brother, or, Yes, I was probably your daughter, you know, when we meet up again in the family group; or do we reincarnate into an entirely new family group?

The answer is, Yes, to all of them.  With the many incarnations that you have had, and you have had many, you try them all.   The family group, as you call it; there is a physical family group on the Earth plane for one life, but then you may meet up with some of those spirits in another life.   It is easy to feel recognition.   When you are contemplating another life on the planet, you have plenty of time to look around, plenty of time to listen to advice from more experienced souls from higher levels, if you want that word, more experienced souls, more advanced souls, to suggest that you look here, look there, and you ask yourself, what are you looking for, anyway?   Are you looking for a new experience, of some sort or other?   You can ask them, what will help me to advance?   You can ask spirit at any time, what will help me to advance?   You will get some sort of help, some answer.   Here you are getting a lot of words, from the experience of a lot of souls, in a lot of different groups.   They are all linked, as you know, and the groups that you joined for advancement, when you were at this side of ‘the divide’, as you call it, have all linked with other groups above them, that are more experienced, more advanced, than they are.   Your own guides and helpers who are with you, and there is always someone with you, they have all had experiences, and they can give you an instant answer, if you open your mind for it.   So, there is no need to have anxieties about family groups.   It is all experience.   You may go into a group, where your brothers, sisters, are good friends to you, or where they are not good friends to you.   You will learn from both types of family.   You might go where the earthly parents are happy together, or miserable together, and you will learn from both types of parenting.   There is an unlimited amount that you can learn, but the basic facts, which you have asked for before, are the laws of the godhead and the need to want to help others.   If you remember those facts, when you have a disappointing friendship, smother them with light.   Wish them well.   Feel sorrow for them, in their bad choice of words, their bad decisions to hurt you or hurt others.   Bless them.  Make it difficult for them to be unpleasant.   You can do it from a distance.   They do not need to see you.   They have no need to know what you are saying, doing, or sending out for them.   They will feel the effect of it and they will wonder what is happening to them.   It will make them think, and then, like you, they may say, I have been on the wrong path, or I have done this incorrectly, or, I would like to help others.   Does that help you?

C.   Yes.  Thank you.   I have another question here for you.   Why are bodily illnesses related to colours in healing?   Is this to do with the aura?   Or, when we did colour healing, we were shown the different colours to pass through the body, and we wonder whether certain colours are related to the body?

The illnesses do not create the colour.   The healer creates the colours to help the illness, or the negativity.   Illness does not dictate at all.   Illness is a negative, physical condition, which can be helped medically, spiritually; it can be helped, but the help is positive thought sent from spirit.   It may be a spirit, within an earthly body, who has been trained to heal, and can do it, and bring help and benefit to the patient.   But the illness of that patient, the problems, the physical, chemical and mental problems, within that patient, do not dictate how they can be healed, they are not looking for healing, they are not having thoughts.   It is a condition which can get better or get worse, and can create other side effects.   It can create a terminal condition.    Many people die, return home.   They take their transition because the negativity of the illness becomes so serious that it affects the organs, which fail to function properly.   But those conditions do not dictate anything about colour.   They react to spiritual colour sent to them from a healer, whether the healer is in a body or not.   Now, there is a choice of colours for healing, and, here again, we do experiment from this side, many experiments have been carried out in colour healing, and you were trained to mentally pass healing colours through the body of a patient who needs healing.   The patient lying down, the hands on the head, the hands of other helpers, supporters, at the feet or around the side, or on the site of the damage, those healing colours, reinforced by the healing thoughts of the supplementary healers, those at the side and at the feet, create a tremendous, powerful flow of healing colour, of the chosen colour, through the body, for a short period.  There is a tremendous surge of well-being throughout the patient.   I can feel it now.   It is there in this body.   It is good.  Little points of damage are helped, and the colours that are passed through, you were trained in a sequence, which is a good thing, which builds up a routine in your mind, which you never forget.   And in that healing sanctuary, where it is regularly practised, great benefit is received, sometimes received by those who are about to take their transition.   Maybe, they were due to take it anyway, but they feel so much more relaxed.   They feel the benefits of that healing.   It is very well worthwhile.   Those who have had it, and then gone to spirit, because their time was up, have looked back on that period, before their transition, with appreciation to those who gave it, and they have helped  to strengthen their resolve to continue sending out healing thoughts.   The colours are dictated by the healer, not by the patient.   Colours vary; with different healers sending out what they think is the same colour, creating variations.   But, there is no harm in that.   All the different variations of the colour are beneficial, in some way or other.  So, where you have three or four healers around one patient, sending out what they think is the same colour, it can greatly strengthen the effect of the healing received from the passage of that colour or the varying shades of that colour.   There is no signal from a disease demanding a colour.

C.   No.  I understand that.  Perhaps, I put that wrongly to you.   I understand about the colour healing and how it works.   How about when we just lay on the hands, and when the energy that we feel coming through our hands to the patient, that is not colour, is it?   That is an energy, isn’t it?

Not always.   Sometimes a colour is sent, but there may not be an awareness of the colour by the healer, whose hands are on the patient.   The spiritual healers, working through that healer, know if they are sending a colour.   They know if a colour is beneficial.

The strongest colour of all is, as you know, a near-white, but that contains all colours.   White is a blending of all colours of the spectrum.   You see it in your rainbow.   That is white light, broken into different colours.   Put all those colours together again and you have white light.   So, if you are sending a white light signal through a patient, they can pick whatever colour helps most.   Or, it can be picked for them.

C.   As you say, we are only a channel of healing energy.   As far as we are concerned it is important only that we are able to help somebody.

That’s right.   You are making progress!   You know these things!

C.   One more thing.   Transfiguration.   I once saw this in church, where they did the mouldings on the medium’s face, and you can recognise a loved one from spirit.   I found this to be quite unusual, very interesting to watch.   What are these mouldings?   How do they build on to a face?   We were told to keep talking, because the voices kept the mouldings going.   If we didn’t speak they seemed to fade very quickly.

Yes.   This was another example of spiritual experiments.   Over the centuries, spirits, particularly those who had returned home after a period on Earth, had felt a very strong urge to link with the spirits of their loved ones who remained on Earth, in a body.   There was a very strong feeling and desire to let their loved ones know that they are very much alive, feeling so much better, in a happy place, feeling well, after having shaken off the earth body.   This desire to renew the contact with the loved ones on the Earth plane became so strong that the more experienced spirits, or groups of spirits, agreed that we should try to link, so that communication could be regained.   And now, you look back and you see what happened.   There are stories of the ‘knockings’ in a house, tapping, or a sequence of taps, repeated spiritually, to prove that there was an intelligence aware of the sound.   And this was wonderful.

But, when you compare it with what is happening tonight, here, now, it was very disappointing.   Here and now, you are hearing my thoughts, instantly, translated from my mind, in my language, into the brain and vocabulary of one sitting with you.   There may be times when you think that I pause for thought, or pause for breath, and there is only the slightest delay in the transfer of my thoughts through all that rigmarole, into your ears, where you hear it and understand it in your brain.   Isn’t that an improvement on the early stages of communication?   You are aware from your own abilities as a clairvoyant, as a medium, as you say, as a channel, of receiving thoughts, pictures, words, sounds, possibly smells, but certainly sounds, from detached spirits who wish to communicate with someone who is in the room with you in your group, your church, or a community centre or village hall.   You know the difficulties of linking, but you achieve it, you do it regularly, you do it instantly, to varying degrees of success, depending on the amount of power given to you at that time.   The building up of the face of a loved one, on the features of another person in the room, so that the features can be recognised as the features of the grandmother, the mother, the wife, loved one, father, husband, brother, sister, who has apparently ‘died’, to see their features in the room, can be a wonderful experience.   It can convince the observer that their loved one is still alive and is there with them now.   But, they are not there in ‘body’.   They appear to be there in body, in the features.   Is that what you call ‘transfiguration’?

C.   Yes.

It was one of many methods, many experiments to help the spirit world link with Earth planet, and with the spiritual souls who are in earth bodies, and who yearn for news of their lost loved ones.   It was not easily done.   It was very complicated, I think the word was ‘convoluted’, or a word like that, it was certainly a complicated method of convincing one observer that a loved one was in the room with him or her.   You do not hear much of it these days.   Occasionally, people experiment, trying to recreate those conditions.   They sometimes experiment, on the Earth plane, trying to recreate the conditions of messages coming by tapping and knocking.   But, is it not much easier to visit a clairvoyant, or to join a group with the ability and the experience of linking directly with spirit in this way?   Can you answer that?

C.   Yes, I can, because I have come up against it many, many times.  People fear communication.   They want it.   They want proof, but they fear it, and it puts barriers up.   It is very difficult for a medium to break those barriers down.   I think that there is more awareness now on the Earth plane.  I think the younger element are more open minded to things, but there is still that resistance to give of themselves, to give the power to help their loved ones come through.   You ask for it.   You ask for their love and their understanding, and they just look at you.   You ask for it again and they say Yes, and yet there isn’t any power, and there isn’t a lot of love, and yet they expect you to give them their parents’ names or their husband’s names, where they lived, how old they were when they died, and all sorts of things like that.   Until you are half way through the meeting, and people begin to relax, and we have a bit of laughter, then, we begin to get the evidence that we are happy with.

But that shows the benefit of your experience, as a medium, of building up that rapport with those people, some of whom may well be youngsters, young people, wondering where they can go to pass an hour, where they can go for a laugh, wondering if it will be an experience that they might enjoy, or they might not enjoy, and having very little experience, very little progress on their own path.   They may be very early souls, so, the best way to help them is to wish them well, as you do.   Enjoy a laugh with them, and encourage them to have a laugh with you, as you do.   That is your experience, and you succeed.   They can be testing times, especially if you are tired, but, you will win through.   You will, if you get only one completely satisfying sentence to one person in that room, you will have performed an excellent service for spirit.   So, do not criticise yourself.   If there is a weakness, it is in the resolve of those coming and sitting in the room with you.   They, at least, are willing to open their minds and their ears to hear what is to be heard, and you gave them plenty to hear. 

It was a success.   There was more than one person very pleased to have been there, because of the way you were able to link with one of their loved ones.   So have no regrets.   The problems, the faults, are with the others, not with you.   You must build on your great strength, your abilities.   You should have no anxieties about whether the meeting has been a success or not.   Have we any more?

C.   No, I think that is quite enough for tonight.   We have covered a lot of subjects.

Then I wish your two friends well, and hope that they will be here for me to welcome them next week.

C.   I hope so.   I will be running out of questions.

I doubt it.   I can find you some questions.   I can start questioning you and them.   I can give them an examination.   I can ask them if they have been doing their homework, whilst away from school.

C.   I do thank you, once again, and all your helpers, who are with you.   We try to do our best, and hope that we are going forward, as you say, and trying to be positive.

You are already learning.   You know that I am not just one spirit.   You are linking, not with just one group of spirits, but with all the linked groups, who are all making progress, of which you are part.   Bless you!

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